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+
+;;; maybe more synths, maybe trying for repeated phrases with different settings for whole phrase
+;;; https://github.com/SCLOrkHub/SCLOrkSynths/blob/master/SynthDefs/strings/prophet5pwmStrings.scd
+(in-package #:cl-collider)
+(defsynth prophet5pwmStrings ((out 0) (pan 0.0) (freq 440) (amp 1.0) (gate 1) (att 0.01)
+                                      (rel 0) (sus 1) (dec 0.5) (lforate 10) (lfowidth 0.5) (cutoff 12000) (rq 0.5))
+          (let* ((lfo (lf-tri.kr (mapcar (lambda (x) (* lforate x)) (list 1 1.01)) (make-list 2 :initial-element (rand.ir 0 2.0))))
+                 (pulse (pulse.ar (mapcar (lambda (x) (* freq x)) (list 1 1.01)) (+ (* lfo lfowidth) 0.5)))
+                 (filter (rlpf.ar pulse cutoff rq))
+                 (env (env-gen.ar (adsr att dec sus rel amp) :gate gate :act :free)))
+            (out.ar out (pan2.ar (* (mix filter) env 0.5) pan))))
+;; (synth :prophet5pwmstrings)
+;; (stop)
+
+(in-package #:cl-patterns)
+(pb :foo-with-pluck-synth
+:instrument :prophet5pwmStrings
+:play-quant 4
+  ;; :rq 0.8
+  ;; :cutoff 35200
+  ;; :dec 0.1
+;; :att 0.07
+;; :sus 0.8
+:legato 1
+:degree (pseq (list 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7) 1)
+:dur 1)
+;; (play :foo-with-pluck-synth)
+;; (end :foo-with-pluck-synth)
+;; (stop :foo-with-pluck-synth)
+;;
+;; let's make it a simple gamma?
+;; cool, and easy with the :degree (from pitch model http://doc.sccode.org/Tutorials/Streams-Patterns-Events5.html )
+
+(pb :mary-had-a-little-lamb
+:instrument :prophet5pwmStrings
+:play-quant 16
+:legato 1
+:degree (pseq (list 6 5 4 5  6 6 6  5 5 5  6 6 6  6 5 4 5  6 6 6 6  5 5 6 5  4) 1)
+:dur (pseq    (list 1 1 1 1  1 1 2  1 1 2  1 1 2  1 1 1 1  1 1 1 1  1 1 1 1  4))
+:attack (pseq    (list 0.1 0 0 0)))
+
+
+;; (play :mary-had-a-little-lamb)
+;; (end :mary-had-a-little-lamb)
+;; (stop :mary-had-a-little-lamb)
+
+;;; sure, another?
+;; https://github.com/SCLOrkHub/SCLOrkSynths/blob/master/SynthDefs/strings/strings.scd
+;; (taken from http://sccode.org/1-5aD )
+(in-package #:cl-collider)
+
+(defsynth strings ((out 0) (freq 440) (amp 1) (gate 1) (pan 0) (freqLag 0.2) (att 0.001) (dec 0.1) (sus 0.75) (rel 0.3)
+                   (rq 0.001) (combHarmonic 4) (sawHarmonic 1.5) (mix 0.33))
+  (let* ((combFreq (/ 1 (* (lag.kr freq (/ freqLag 2)) combHarmonic)))
+         (envelope (env-gen.kr (adsr att dec sus rel amp) :gate gate :act :free))
+         (snd-step-1 (sync-saw.ar (* freq (range (white-noise.kr) (/ 1 1.025) 1.025)) (* freq sawHarmonic) 8))
+         (snd-step-2 (+ (* snd-step-1 (- 1 mix)) (pink-noise.ar (* 180 mix))))
+         (snd-step-3 (comb-l.ar snd-step-2 combFreq combFreq -1)) ; try 1 for decay as well
+         (snd-step-4 (abs (resonz.ar snd-step-3 (lag.kr freq freqLag) rq)))
+         (snd-step-5 (* snd-step-4 envelope))
+         (snd-step-6 (limiter.ar snd-step-5 amp)))
+    (out.ar out (pan2.ar snd-step-6 pan))))
+;; (synth :strings :freq 400)
+;; (stop)
+
+(in-package #:cl-patterns)
+(pb :foo-with-pluck-synth-with-strings
+:instrument :strings
+:play-quant 4
+  ;; :rq 0.8
+  ;; :cutoff 35200
+  ;; :dec 0.1
+;; :att 0.07
+;; :sus 0.8
+  ;; :freqLag 0.7
+:legato 1
+:degree (pseq (list 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7) 1)
+:dur 1)
+;; (play :foo-with-pluck-synth-with-strings)
+;; (end :foo-with-pluck-synth-with-strings)
+;; (stop :foo-with-pluck-synth-with-strings)
+;;
+;; let's make it a simple gamma?
+;; cool, and easy with the :degree (from pitch model http://doc.sccode.org/Tutorials/Streams-Patterns-Events5.html )
+
+(pb :mary-had-a-little-lamb-with-strings
+  :instrument :strings
+  :play-quant 16
+  :legato 1
+  :degree (pseq (list 6 5 4 5  6 6 6  5 5 5  6 6 6  6 5 4 5  6 6 6 6  5 5 6 5  4) 1)
+  :dur (pseq    (list 1 1 1 1  1 1 2  1 1 2  1 1 2  1 1 1 1  1 1 1 1  1 1 1 1  4))
+  :attack (pseq    (list 0.1 0 0 0)))
+
+;; (play :mary-had-a-little-lamb-with-strings)
+;; (end :mary-had-a-little-lamb-with-strings)
+;; (stop :mary-had-a-little-lamb-with-strings)
+;;
+;; cool, i like it
+
+;;; https://github.com/SCLOrkHub/SCLOrkSynths/blob/master/SynthDefs/winds/waveguideFlute.scd
+;; let's try the winds?
+(in-package #:cl-collider)
+(defsynth waveguideFlute ((scl 0.2) (freq 440) (ipress 0.9) (ibreath 0.09) (ifeedbk1 0.4) (ifeedbk2 0.4)
+                          (dur 1) (gate 1) (amp 2))
+  (let* ((sr (sample-rate.ir))
+         (cr (control-rate.ir))
+         (a-block (reciprocal cr))
+         (ifqc freq)
+         (kenv1 (env-gen.kr (env
+                             (list 0.0 (* 1.1 ipress) ipress ipress 0.0)
+                             (list 0.06 0.2 (- dur 0.46) 0.2)
+                             :linear))) ; noise envelope
+         (kenv2 (env-gen.kr (env
+                             (list 0.0 amp amp 0.0)
+                             (list 0.1 (- dur 0.2) 0.1)
+                             :linear))) ; overall envelope
+         (kenvibr (env-gen.kr (env
+                               (list 0.0 0.0 1 1 0.0)
+                               (list 0.5 0.5 (- dur 1.5) 0.5)
+                               :linear)))     ; vibrato envelope
+         (aflow1 (lf-clip-noise.ar sr kenv1)) ; create air flow and vibrato
+         (kvibr (sin-osc.ar 5 0 (* 0.1 kenvibr)))
+
+         (asum1 (+ (* ibreath aflow1) kenv1 kvibr))
+         (afqc (+ (reciprocal ifqc) (/ ifqc 12000000) (- (/ asum1 20000)) (- (/ 9 sr)) (- a-block)))
+         (fdbckArray (local-in.ar 1))
+         (aflute1 fdbckArray)
+         (asum2 (+ asum1 (* aflute1 ifeedbk1)))
+         (ax (delay-c.ar asum2
+                         (- (reciprocal ifqc) (* a-block 0.5)) ; original has strange asum1/ifqc/cr thing, is that consequtive division, or third is on top?
+                         (* afqc 0.5)))
+         (apoly (- ax (cubed ax)))
+         (asum3 (+ apoly (* aflute1 ifeedbk2)))
+         (avalue (lpf.ar asum3 2000))
+         (aflute2 (delay-c.ar avalue (- (reciprocal ifqc) a-block) afqc))
+         (fdbckArray (list aflute2))
+         ;; (no-name (local-out.ar fdbckArray)) ; does that work at all? are there side effects?
+         (signalOut avalue))
+    (local-out.ar fdbckArray)
+    (offset-out.ar 0 (list (* signalOut kenv2) (* signalOut kenv2)))))
+(synth :waveguideFlute :dur 2
+       :freq 300
+       :amp 1
+       )
+(stop)
+
+;; (scl 0.2) (freq 440) (ipress 0.9) (ibreath 0.09) (ifeedbk1 0.4) (ifeedbk2 0.4)
+;;                           (dur 1) (gate 1) (amp 2)
+(in-package #:cl-patterns)
+(pb :foo-with-pluck-synth-with-flute
+:instrument :waveguideFlute
+:play-quant 4
+  :ibreath 0.1
+  :octave 5
+:degree (pseq (list 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7) 1)
+:dur 1)
+;; (play :foo-with-pluck-synth-with-flute)
+;; (end :foo-with-pluck-synth-with-flute)
+;; (stop :foo-with-pluck-synth-with-flute)
+;;
+;; let's make it a simple gamma?
+;; cool, and easy with the :degree (from pitch model http://doc.sccode.org/Tutorials/Streams-Patterns-Events5.html )
+
+(pb :mary-had-a-little-lamb-with-flute
+  :instrument :waveguideFlute
+  :play-quant 16
+  :legato 1
+  :degree (pseq (list 6 5 4 5  6 6 6  5 5 5  6 6 6  6 5 4 5  6 6 6 6  5 5 6 5  4) 1)
+  :dur (pseq    (list 1 1 1 1  1 1 2  1 1 2  1 1 2  1 1 1 1  1 1 1 1  1 1 1 1  4))
+  :attack (pseq    (list 0.1 0 0 0)))
+
+;; (play :mary-had-a-little-lamb-with-flute)
+;; (end :mary-had-a-little-lamb-with-flute)
+;; (stop :mary-had-a-little-lamb-with-flute)
+
+;;; I'd say - I messed something up, this doesn't quite work, too much breath, too little clear sound
+;; almost nothing but break in 4th octave & higher
+
+;;; well, let's try some keyboard
+;;; https://github.com/SCLOrkHub/SCLOrkSynths/blob/master/SynthDefs/keyboards/FMRhodes1.scd
+(in-package #:cl-collider)
+(defsynth FMRhodes1 ((out 0) (freq 440) (gate 1) (pan 0) (amp 0.1) (att 0.001) (rel 1) (lfoSpeed 4.8) (inputLevel 0.2)
+                     (modIndex 0.2) (mix 0.2) (lfoDepth 0.1)) ;; all of these range from 0 to 1
+  (let* ((env1 (env-gen.kr (perc att (* rel 1.25) inputLevel :lin)))
+         (env2 (env-gen.kr (perc att rel inputLevel :lin)))
+         (env3 (env-gen.kr (perc att (* rel 1.25) inputLevel :lin)))
+         (env4 (env-gen.kr (perc att (* rel 1.25) inputLevel :lin)))
+         (osc4 (* (sin-osc.ar freq) 6.7341546494171 modIndex env4))
+         (osc3 (* (sin-osc.ar (* freq 2) osc4) env3))
+         (osc2 (* (sin-osc.ar (* freq 30)) 0.683729941 env2))
+         (osc1 (* (sin-osc.ar (* freq 2)) env1))
+         (snd-step-1 (+ (mix (* osc3 (- 1 mix))) (* osc1 mix)))
+         (snd-step-2 (* snd-step-1 (range (sin-osc.ar lfoSpeed) (- 1 lfoDepth) 1)))
+         (snd-step-3 (* snd-step-2 (env-gen.kr (asr 0 1 0.1) :gate gate :act :free)))
+         (snd-step-4 (pan2.ar snd-step-3 pan amp)))
+    (out.ar out snd-step-4)))
+(synth :fmrhodes1 :freq 800)
+(stop)
+
+(in-package #:cl-patterns)
+(pb :foo-with-pluck-synth-with-fmrhodes1
+:instrument :fmrhodes1
+:play-quant 4
+  :legato 1
+  :octave 3
+  ;; :lfospeed 1
+  ;; :inputlevel 0.1
+  ;; :lfodepth 0.01
+:degree (pseq (list 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7) 1)
+:dur 1)
+;; (play :foo-with-pluck-synth-with-fmrhodes1)
+;; (end :foo-with-pluck-synth-with-fmrhodes1)
+;; (stop :foo-with-pluck-synth-with-fmrhodes1)
+;;
+;; let's make it a simple gamma?
+;; cool, and easy with the :degree (from pitch model http://doc.sccode.org/Tutorials/Streams-Patterns-Events5.html )
+
+(pb :mary-had-a-little-lamb-with-fmrhodes1
+  :instrument :fmrhodes1
+  :play-quant 16
+  :octave 3
+  :degree (pseq (list 6 5 4 5  6 6 6  5 5 5  6 6 6  6 5 4 5  6 6 6 6  5 5 6 5  4) 1)
+  :dur (pseq    (list 1 1 1 1  1 1 2  1 1 2  1 1 2  1 1 1 1  1 1 1 1  1 1 1 1  4))
+  :legato (pseq    (list 1 1 1 0.7)))   ; unfortunately this is not by beats, but by count, not cooooool
+
+;; (play :mary-had-a-little-lamb-with-fmrhodes1)
+;; (end :mary-had-a-little-lamb-with-fmrhodes1)
+;; (stop :mary-had-a-little-lamb-with-fmrhodes1)
+
+;;; but now I have a keyboard, a bass and a somewhat drum
+;; let's try something more?
+
+;;; i guess I'd need to better understand difference between pb pbind
+
+(pb :hm-lallaa
+  :instrument :fmrhodes1
+  :octave 3
+  :degree (pseq (list 0 1 4 8 (prest 0) 0 2 4 7 4 2) 1))
+(play :hm-lallaa)
+(end :hm-lallaa)
+(stop :hm-lallaa)
+;; yup, that's a pause, cool
+;; so, do I bring that stuff into a separate file?
+
+(mapcar (lambda (chord) (list (chord-name chord) (chord-notes chord))) (all-chords))
+(chord-notes (chord "Minor 7th"))
+(chord-notes (chord "Minor 7th"))
+
+  ;; :degree (pseq (mapcar #'chord-notes (list :major :minor :maj7 :major)) 1)
+
+;; now,
+
+(defun nchord (symbol &optional (base 0))
+  "Return list of notes for chord names by SYMBOL over the BASE."
+  (mapcar (lambda (note) (+ base note)) (chord-notes symbol)))
+
+(nchord :major 3)
+
+(pb :hm-chords-progression
+  :instrument :fmrhodes1
+  :octave 3
+  ;; :degree (pseq (mapcar #'chord-notes (list :major :minor  :maj7 :major)) 1) ; works, but can't insert (prest 0) among chords
+  ;; :degree (pseq (list (chord :major) (chord :minor) (chord :maj7) (chord :major)) 1) ; doesn't seem to work
+  :degree (pseq (list (nchord :major) (nchord :minor) (prest 0) (nchord :maj7) (nchord :major) (prest 0)) 1) ; doesn't seem to work
+  :base 2
+  :root 5
+  )
+(play :hm-chords-progression)
+(end :hm-chords-progression)
+(stop :hm-chords-progression)
+
+;; so, what's a good way to use them? just wrap separately into #'CHORD-NOTES
+;; maybe at least for now
+;; and then? how do I change the base note of the chord? I kind of remember that having 5th step 7chord is useful, and stuff
+
+;; oh, I guess I could just change :root attribute, as a stream?
+;; hmmm
+
+;; but what if I want a sequence of chords, over different bases, like I IV V steps, and would want to change root for whole phrase
+;; first off, I don't yet know how to repeate whole phrase several times with changing attributes, let's try that
+;;; https://rockguitaruniverse.com/simple-easy-chord-progressions/
+
+;; i - III - iv - VI
+(pb :hm-chords-progress-em-g-am-c
+  :instrument :fmrhodes1
+  :octave 3
+  ;; :degree (pseq (mapcar #'chord-notes (list :major :minor  :maj7 :major)) 1) ; works, but can't insert (prest 0) among chords
+  ;; :degree (pseq (list (chord :major) (chord :minor) (chord :maj7) (chord :major)) 1) ; doesn't seem to work
+  :degree (pseq (list (nchord :minor) (nchord :major 2) (nchord :minor 3) (nchord :major 5) (prest 0)) 1) ; doesn't seem to work
+  :dur (pseq (list 1 2 1 3 1))
+  :base 2
+  :root 5
+  )
+(play :hm-chords-progress-em-g-am-c)
+(end :hm-chords-progress-em-g-am-c)
+(stop :hm-chords-progress-em-g-am-c)
+
+;; Am – F – C – G (i – VI – III – VII)
+(pb :hm-chords-progress-am-f-c-g
+  :instrument :fmrhodes1
+  :octave 3
+  ;; :degree (pseq (mapcar #'chord-notes (list :major :minor  :maj7 :major)) 1) ; works, but can't insert (prest 0) among chords
+  ;; :degree (pseq (list (chord :major) (chord :minor) (chord :maj7) (chord :major)) 1) ; doesn't seem to work
+  :degree (pseq (list (nchord :minor) (nchord :major 3) (nchord :minor 2) (nchord :major 6) (prest 0)) 1) ; doesn't seem to work
+  :dur (pseq (list 1 2 1 3 1))
+  :base 2
+  :root 5
+  )
+(play :hm-chords-progress-am-f-c-g)
+(end :hm-chords-progress-am-f-c-g)
+(stop :hm-chords-progress-am-f-c-g)
+
+;; IV V iii vi (from video on japan's favourite chord progression)
+;; https://youtu.be/6aezSL_GvZA
+(pb :hm-chords-progress-golden-road
+  :instrument :strings
+  :octave 4
+  :legato 1
+  ;; :degree (pseq (mapcar #'chord-notes (list :major :minor  :maj7 :major)) 1) ; works, but can't insert (prest 0) among chords
+  ;; :degree (pseq (list (chord :major) (chord :minor) (chord :maj7) (chord :major)) 1) ; doesn't seem to work
+  :degree (pseq (list (nchord :major 3) (nchord :major 4) (nchord :minor 2) (nchord :minor 5) ) 1) ; doesn't seem to work
+  :dur (pseq (list 4 4 4 4 ))
+  :root 0)
+(play :hm-chords-progress-golden-road)
+(end :hm-chords-progress-golden-road)
+(stop :hm-chords-progress-golden-road)
+
+;; does it sound like in the video then?
+
+;;; would want
+;; - giving chord name and base to get a pattern of arpeggio
+;; - giving (note/chord) and rhythm to get form that single note
+
+;; latter should be possible from defining a subpattern? with static note?
diff --git a/programming-music-journal.org b/programming-music-journal.org
index c8caeaa..29cd366 100644
--- a/programming-music-journal.org
+++ b/programming-music-journal.org
@@ -297,3 +297,24 @@ http://doc.sccode.org/Tutorials/Streams-Patterns-Events5.html
 * [2022-09-04 Sun]
 ** evil marcro for wrapping consecutive values (or args) into pairwise brackets:
 well, not being inserted due to backspace, sad
+* [2022-09-04 Sun]
+** reading patterns.lisp to figure out bpind pdef and pb
+found prest
+#+begin_src common-lisp
+(defclass prest ()
+  ((value :initarg :value :initform 1))
+  (:documentation "An object representing a rest. When set as a value in an event, the event's :type becomes :rest and the prest's value slot is used as the actual value for the event key instead."))
+
+defun prest (&optional (value 1))
+  Make a prest object, which, when used in a `pbind' or similar event pattern, turns the current event into a rest and yields VALUE for the key's value.
+
+Note that this is not a pattern; it is just a regular function that returns a prest object.
+
+Example:
+
+;; (next-upto-n (pbind :degree (pseq (list 0 1 (prest 2) 3) 1)))
+;; ;=> ((EVENT :DEGREE 0) (EVENT :DEGREE 1) (EVENT :TYPE :REST :DEGREE 2) (EVENT :DEGREE 3))
+#+end_src
+
+is that pause?
+but why would event then still have :DEGREE attribute?